An
interview with president of RealWorld University, Joe Martin
by LeeAnn Bernier-Clarke, MEd,
NCC, NCCC
There are
few educators today who approach the topic of choosing a college major
with more optimism and excitement than Professor Joe Martin. Martin is
a popular national speaker, author and president of RealWorld
University, one of the largest college success resources on the
Internet. Besides teaching communication at the University of West
Florida in Pensacola, he is considered a leading expert on student
retention and consults with college administrators around the country
on developing strategies to keep students in school. Join us in this
lively discussion on selecting a college major.
LeeAnn
Bernier-Clarke: Joe, how important is the choice of a college major
-- particularly given today's labor market conditions and the expense
of post-secondary education?
Joe
Martin: This is exciting! You actually picked one of my favorite
topics to discuss. Selecting a college major you love learning about is
the first step to ensuring success in college and in life. It is also
very closely tied in to student retention. If you can get students
excited about what they are learning and tie it into a life direction,
they’re going to stick around and succeed in school.
LeeAnn
Bernier-Clarke: You describe helping students find themselves, and
helping college faculty and administrators support students in this
process, as your personal mission. After eight and a half years as a
university career center director, I know that has to be quite a
challenge.
Joe
Martin: Yes, it is. In higher education we’re so content
driven. We’re focusing so much on what we’re teaching that
we’re forgetting who we’re teaching. I believe that
knowledge without application is trivia. Students need to understand
that there is a purpose for being in college beyond the here and now.
If you’re doing something you don’t want to do, it becomes
a burden on you and drags you down. If you continue to do it anyway,
for all the wrong reasons, you start to become a burden on others.
Students
become a burden on higher education systems, faculty and their families
when they haven’t made the critical career connection between
what they are studying, who they are and what they want out of life.
That’s what happens when students make their major decisions for
all the wrong reasons!
LeeAnn
Bernier-Clarke: So, what do you consider to be the right reasons
for choosing a college major?
Joe
Martin: Choosing a college major is a lot easier than most people
think. Just choose a major that will lead to a job at which you would
be willing to work for free! When I say this to students they always
ask, "Who would do that?" My answer is, someone who loves what they do.
Choosing a major becomes difficult when society, professors, parents,
friends and circumstances pull us in different directions. Choose a
college major based on inspiration rather than desperation! If you
pursue your passion, success will follow. Purpose precedes profits.
LeeAnn
Bernier-Clarke: It sounds like you really believe in the old adage,
"Do what you love and the money will follow."
Joe
Martin: I do. But that’s not to say I advocate always
following the path of least resistance or selecting the easiest major.
You could really shortchange your future if you choose a major just
because you can easily get the highest GPA with the least amount of
effort. You’re going to have to pay your dues. If you don’t
pay now, you’ll pay later. Often the most challenging major can
be the most rewarding.
LeeAnn
Bernier-Clarke: In your Black Collegian article, A Major Decision,
you described a process you used to discover your own college major
that seemed to be as sound as anything I’ve come across. Would
you describe that process?
Joe
Martin: I can’t say this is the best method but it did work
for me. I worked backwards, choosing courses first. I sifted through my
college catalog looking for courses that interested me, reading each
course description and highlighting those that seemed like they would
engage me in something I would love. After that I looked at the majors
under which most of those courses were listed, and voila! I majored in
public relations.
With a
few years to gain perspective, I now realize that this method focuses
too much on the here and now to leave it at that. Now I always tell
students to take the next step and be sure to find out about what you
can do with that major in the future. Talk to professionals who are
having fun working in fields related to a major that looks good to you.
Find someone who loves their job and talk to them about it. Before you
buy the career, you should borrow it. Try it on by conducting an
information interview. See how it fits.
LeeAnn
Bernier-Clarke: And that’s what it’s all about --
finding the best fit! Thanks, Joe! You’re a great example of
someone who’s doing what he loves. It has been exciting!